Thank you to April Sampson-Kelly for interviewing me for her Permaculture Visions video series. In this video we discuss permaculture design for the care of people. How does a social design compare to physical design? Can a social design have a similar process to the design for a physical site? We touch on nurturing healthy and productive social spaces, and “holding space” for nurturing collaboration. We also explore the idea of horizontal organisational models as governance models for people care instead of hierarchical systems.